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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2016.11.03 10:12:23 -
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I think it's worth starting here:
http://crossingzebras.com/war-what-is-it-good-for/
There's a lot to like in the article and proposed changes are balanced: require a structure, but give it watchlist capabilities.
Something for both sides.
The Roundtable is worth listening to also.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2016.11.03 10:36:12 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Lann Shahni wrote:you are right i do think that the aggressors side of the wardec system needs a nerf
War decs have suffered several nerfs in a row, the last of which forced many wardec groups to fold. ("workaround," what are this?) Turning wars into capture-the-flag will surely end the rest.
Yeah this.
There is nothing about a war that should require it in the mechanics to be symmetrical and fair, for one side or the other.
If defenders want to win, or want to just get on with the game, there are already mechanics that support that. We don't need more nerfs of wardeccers play styles. They are just as entitled to their form of play as anyone else and New Eden should always have risk no matter where.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2016.11.03 22:40:22 -
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My Dream wrote:your points are valid but dont forget this veiw infringes on the sandbox players right to play in a peacefull social way
many social corps get ganked and the players quit because the gankers gameplay choice means they cant get on with there choice of sandbox mode
if eves truely a sandox then it should provide a home for all types of player
As this is a wardec thread, I don't quite see how it infringes on any players choice to play peacefully.
NPC Corps are 100%, completely immune from wardecs.
Any player, wanting to avoid wardecs and never have any aggression associated with the mechanics can simply choose to be in an NPC Corp.
They can still play socially. Nothing about being in an NPC Corp prevents that.
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Posted - 2016.11.04 22:36:26 -
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Minerva Arbosa wrote:Last I heard locator agents still work pretty well on tracking down targets and such. So does doing your own research on where players might be before initiating war decs.
Although I'm not a merc, I hope I understand fairly well the impact of the watchlist changes to be able to explain why it isn't so simple as that.
Prior to the watch list changes, which were made to reduce intel about capital pilots, the wardec/Marc community used locator agents all the time. When a watchlist notification reported an enemy online, they ran locates to find them so they could go hunt them down.
However, locator agents work whether a character is logged in or not. Once the watchlist changes occurred, the use of the same appproach resulted in hunters chasing ghosts who weren't even online.
That alone isn't necessarily bad, however the resulting optimal wardec strategy that has resulted, is bad. Why continue to hunt ghosts when instead you can just hug a trade hub and blanke wardec everything?
That's the new optimal approach because chasing people who aren't online is boring as ****. Easier and more fun to wardec everything and let the content come to you.
For many mercs that approach sux, so a lot of the true hunters stopped and either play much less or do different things now. Others just joined the other wardec groups red lying in larger groups that need to wardec even more Corps/Alliances to ensure enough content for their members.
At the end of the day, mercs and wardeccers are just playing the game for fun like the rest of us; and they choose to play it their way, just as we choose to play it our way. There is nothing wrong with any of those choices.
So for those of us that don't wardec, it's actually in our best interest to make proposals that support the ability of small groups and mercs to play effectively, not to make proposals that further encourage the blob approach.
Small groups that will actually fight create opportunities for defenders to attack them. Large blob groups are either too big to attack, or they just dock up because they are only interested in consuming people, not being consumed.
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